This Conversation Demystifies Recruiting, Prep School Paths, And The Shot Clock Debate

We break down what really moves recruiting today, from the Arby’s Classic stage to the transfer portal’s squeeze, and why patience plus production still wins. Kevin Schneider , COO and National Recruiting Director of Big Shots shares how events, relationships, and the right fit turn potential into offers.

• Arby’s Classic takeaways and venue quality
• College coach turnout and what impressed scouts
• What Big Shots offers players and parents
• How the portal and NIL reshape high school recruiting
• Why relationships, fit, and production beat hype
• Postgrad and prep pathways that add value
• Public vs private: coaching, culture, and daily competition
• The case for a high school shot clock
• NBA trade talk: Trey Young to DC and team building
• Upcoming Big Shots events and how to connect

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Chapters

• 0:00 Warm-Up, Local Scores, And Banter
• 3:35 Kevin Joins: Arby’s Classic Recap
• 7:15 College Coaches, Facilities, And Standouts
• 11:40 What Big Shots Does And Why It Works
• 19:10 How Recruiting Changed: Portal, NIL, Patience
• 27:30 Postgrad And Prep Pathways That Pay Off
• 34:00 Public vs Private, Coaching, And Competition
• 41:50 Should Virginia Add A Shot Clock

Transcript

SPEAKER_04: 0:39

Hey everybody, welcome back to Brothers with Opinions. I'm your host, Dirty Digges, and here with Chris Tucker. So we're about to have a big time guest on here pretty hopefully here in a few minutes. Big shots at you. Yeah, let me let me uh send send an invite real quick.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02

There you go.

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And hopefully Kevin uh Kevin jumps on. So we'll we'll see, bro. But I how you been, Chris?

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I'm good, man. I'm stuck.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14

You're stuck from what?

SPEAKER_01: 1:16

Yeah, I ate this chicken, biscuit, little thing, and some some potatoes. It was good, man. But yeah, I'm stuck.

SPEAKER_04: 1:26

Get them electrolytes.

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They ain't even good for you, but I like the taste of it sometimes.

SPEAKER_04: 1:32

Hey, my Gatorade. Gatorade is good in moderation. We'll say that. Don't drink it all the time. But yeah, hey, everybody, you know, welcome back to Brothers with Opinions. I think we're gonna have our guest, uh, Kevin Snyder, one of the owners, directors, president, whatever his title is, uh, Big Shots AAU. So we'll talk Arby's classic because he helped run uh that the other weekend that Haley played in down in Bristol, Virginia, and then we'll talk, you know, Big Shot their, you know, their AAU circuit. They they run for AAU programs because they do a lot of a lot of big things for kids. So Kevin will jump on with us. Well, Chris, let's talk about, you know, uh, before Kevin gets on, we talk about local uh athletes and games. Yeah, it had Hadley. It's what six and six and two rate is their record, I believe. Seven and two. Seven and two?

SPEAKER_01: 2:33

Yeah, because they beat Jane Roy.

SPEAKER_04: 2:35

Yeah, they beat Jay beat the brakes off of them, what was it, eighty eighty-nine to thirty-nine or something? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, they won by 50.

SPEAKER_02: 2:45

But shout out to their bench that stepped up and played big while. I guess there was people out sick and stuff, not including what he was already out.

SPEAKER_04: 2:52

Yeah, yeah.

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But who was out? Because I was Kyron, Javon, and Christian bought out. But so was Amari out? Was Isaiah out? What happened?

SPEAKER_04: 3:01

Well, Isaiah Baxter was out. He got a concussion, and I didn't know it happened when they played Millbrook. Somebody he he hit his head when you know, got a concussion. So he he missed that, but I think he's cleared and he's fine to go, you know, for tomorrow night versus Skyline. So from what I hear. But yeah, I mean, hey, yeah, I I gotta I gotta say, even though James would, we know, of course, they don't have much, whatever. But hey, Haley team ball all around that game. So, but hey, here's Kevin. We want to take too much of his time. Let's get let's get him on here. There you go. Yep. Hey, Kevin, what's up? What's up, good, good, good. I'm glad I'm glad you could jump on. We could talk, you know, Arby's classic, AAU, all that stuff. So hopefully some parents and kids are listening to this. Give them a little bit of advice too.

SPEAKER_02: 3:57

So hey man, they can always tune back in, man. But we appreciate you having you on, sir. Like right, you know, take the time out your day to speak with us, man.

SPEAKER_03: 4:06

Appreciate it. Appreciate you guys having me on, and uh Tony enjoyed spending time with you and the Hanley crew. Uh always classic, exciting event. Uh we're planning to annually and assistant host that in Bristol.

SPEAKER_02: 4:18

Uh did Hanley go down there? Hanley was there that weekend. I didn't see any wins from them.

SPEAKER_03: 4:24

Oh here we go.

SPEAKER_01: 4:28

No, I thought Christian.

SPEAKER_02: 4:29

Uh I went to Hanley too, so I got to pick on them, man. No kills expected, but you know, I'm I'm a little disappointed. I know it's tough after that big game, but right a pick on them, but definitely glad they played in it, man, because I'm sure that's gonna help them out down the road.

SPEAKER_03: 4:43

Yeah, you know, the competition was was uh tournament. Uh I thought Henry Well, I thought Christian Dingus, obviously, you know, hold on, stop you there, Kevin.

SPEAKER_04: 4:55

We gotta get his last name right because everybody was it's Dinges. Oh hey, trust me, I heard it my whole life.

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So that's that waffle spot we have up here.

SPEAKER_03: 5:06

Yeah, right. I thought he uh really impressed companies that was there. We had a nice college company's turnout. Um, you know, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 5:15

Y'all, because who was out there? What Ohio State, I think, showed up, a big D one.

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Yeah, we had Ohio Biggs, uh Andy, uh, you know, several D tuned throughout the region.

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Right.

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Navy was there. Uh so yeah, I think Navy was very impressed with them. Um and I thought Briscoe shot it well, and and uh Zach's got a nice squad, man. They got a scene once Will gets back in the fold. I think Bob just got to make a run at it. You know, Will's probably as good as an easy mistake.

SPEAKER_04: 5:46

Uh right, regardless of that.

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So exciting event, you know, and it and uh I think one that you know as a as a group, you know, Virginia High was an outstanding coast. Arthur's obviously being a town that was very hands-up on it home. And uh one that I think for the whole state of Virginia, as well as that tri-sit region, that's just a fun basketball atmosphere.

SPEAKER_04: 6:09

Yeah, I mean, they they did they they have a nice school there, a nice facility because Christian was even like that. They're only like division, you know, what are they two-way or something? He's like, but their gym is huge. They do it bigger in bigger in the south.

SPEAKER_03: 6:22

I tell you that that gym may be the best facility in the state, uh of Virginia. I mean, it's a full vibe, uh great clock, you know, setups with the scoreboards, and you got it, and just kind of has an old school guy, you know, and uh but I thought the crowd was in it, Five Cities Christian being on local team, veto kill. I thought that was upset the event and uh made a run to the championship and just came up short to Ridgeview out of Columbia, who's won four out of the last five state titles. Um, yellow top 25 team national, you know, right? And uh fun event, man. Really cool to see uh players that played in our big shots events throughout the season or maybe uh shine on that type of stage.

SPEAKER_04: 7:07

Yeah, so so tell everybody a little bit about you know big shots, what you guys do for everybody, you know, with your events and everything.

SPEAKER_03: 7:15

Yeah, we host uh now year 21. Well, in year 21 hosting events started in 2006. Um we had 19 teams in our first event, had a good group of guys. We had like Don Waller, Kimball Walker, Ty Walson, some really good players in that first year. But it's grown to have over 5,500 teams at 10 Angle nationwide, hosts 38 events. Um we host 11 events throughout the state of Virginia, uh, but also you know, in various states of the country. Uh we've had over 3 billion scholarships, uh, money owned over that time. And uh now 382 guys in the NBA. So it's been fun to see the course of how it's gone over the years. Uh you know, we're family operated. I run it with Jeff Schneider, my dad, and Bryce, my brother. Um great staff, very heavily involved with the scouting aspect. You know, we take a lot of time and help the players get to the right levels, and uh have a great staff that's been you know involved in the game. So I'm a post division one level. Parents are players, a lot of them are players that played in our you know. We we have each year probably about 30 alums that come back and trying to get into the game after their time playing career and uh getting out left with them to network and you know think about the next after once the ball's back frozen. So right, but exciting, it's exciting, you know, and and we enjoy helping every people, you know, around the country.

SPEAKER_04: 8:49

Right, because I I definitely appreciate you guys because I've been involved what going on four years, maybe five now, starting with another team, but I I feel you guys do the events are great, they're well ran. You know, one is you feel safe, security's there, you know. So big thing, but yeah, you guys I feel do a great job in the exposure and everything, helping these kids.

SPEAKER_03: 9:12

I want to take a lot of ride in the safety doctor events. I think in today's game, you want to be able to go to the venues that were in our private premier venues on the east coast, and and uh we can still have providing every opportunity to players, especially in a safe environment.

SPEAKER_04: 9:28

Right, right. So a few questions. So on the AAU aspect, we'll get on that. Uh I get a lot, you know, with exposure and all that, and people like what events to play in, the wrong ones, the right ones. You know, so what's the difference? What separates you guys from other tournaments out there?

SPEAKER_03: 9:47

Yeah, I think there's you know, I'm a pro event director. You know, I think doing events in general is not easy. I think now the longevity in the year 21, we've adapted with time. You know, I think prudent uh with additional new venues, added security, uh, added technology. I mean, we didn't even have Twitter or Instagram or any of this stuff. Right for starting. I think uh the one thing we have is our reputation's there with helping players of all levels. I think that's definite. Um, you know, an experience we have, you know. I think a lot of us have played the coach at various levels, and um people know if we have players that are playing our event, uh, that we're gonna shoot straight a player so level. We're not gonna overhype players um just to get a like or uh uh uh team coming back. Um but I think the what one thing with recruiting, you know, I think recruiting's become even more regional than when I talk with Ohio State and uh spent a lot of time with those guys at Harvey, and then how's recruiting going? How's the portal yet? We're attacking Ohio hard, obviously, and then try to get guys national ranked players through connections of coaches and that as coach at various top like LJ Smith a lot of show, you know, let's control Kelsey. And so then you hit the portal. So I think as recruiting exchange, I think events have to be um very aggressive on how they operate and help and push players, you know, and helping them. Um that's something we've done. We we cater to all that you know, we talk to them as much as we would talk to Ohio State, you know, because players need outlets. Navy, maybe needed help with finding a prep team. You know, um so as the games change, recruitings change, I think we try and be outlets of parents like yourself, uh coaches like you, and and you know, your program. So very hands-on in how we operate. I think one thing that you could say about our business, you're not gonna walk in and say there's not a Schneider there. It's a it's a hands-on operation. Uh, you're not gonna have somebody else just running the event. When you come to our events, you know who's there. We want to get to know you, get to know your players and your parents, and I think as and your high school coaches, and um as a unit, I think provide the best opportunity to get to that next level. So that's that's the operation in the whole. Um and uh could right.

SPEAKER_04: 12:29

Well, yeah, because that that leads to you know the transfer portal and all that, because like my son, Chris, for example, getting frustrated, you know, because he's not getting these offers that he feels he should be getting, you know, this and that, and why is other kids getting offers, blah, blah, blah. So I guess explain to parents to whoever's listening, you know, the recruiting process, because of course I'm going through it with probably my 16 year team, you know, because they all they all feel like they should be getting the offer right out of high, you know, somewhere. But the process has changed. You know, now, you know, high schools are lower the total because even with the uh what the G League rule now, like they can come back and go to college, which really you know threw a wrench in everything as well. So if you could yeah, explain that to people as well, how how hard it is really these days, and basically run your own race.

SPEAKER_03: 13:19

You know, control what you can control, right? I think to be patient with the process, but at the same time, recruit the schools that possibly could recruit you, build that relationship. All this is about relationships, you know. Obviously, we've known each other for many years now, and why I'm on the call with you. We have a great relationship, you know. College coaches, um, you know, I talked to a coach in East Tennessee State, they have a kid that they've already signed that played in our classic, and you know, the head coach was there, and he's like, I've known him since my camps when he was in middle school. So they maintain that relationship.

SPEAKER_00: 13:57

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 13:58

He probably got the pump over a player, maybe uh that maybe with equal talent just because the relationship was that. So that's important. Um you know, there's opportunities, you just gotta understand. Like, maybe you're not gonna go to a mid-major, go to a low major, a low major, go to a V2. You gotta go where you can produce, and I think that's number one priority where you sit and whether you produce. Uh, you know, I obviously the financial aspect with NIL NIL, I'm a player. Um and I think sometimes people maybe take that approach, and and uh it's not always the best either. You know, it could be a short-term transactional deal versus maybe the long-term big picture move. So um for us, we try and be an outlet for people and guiding them along that. It's for all levels. I mean, but the process is different for everybody. It's different, right? I recruited this guy, right? He was he was at 15, not Dion Williamson that we know. Yeah, where his dad had he had great parenting, and that's in all these guys, right? But you know, I think everybody's process was different, you know, and that's the the best part of the dream and enjoy that, you know, cherish those times in the gym, uh, the grind of what it the process is. Um but I think it's important not to beloved, uh you don't get in a down a path that you know doesn't lead to the right stuff for you.

SPEAKER_02: 15:40

So uh the transfer portal is students, student athletes being older now or being able to play when they're 23, 24, 25 sometimes. Excuse me, that can definitely hurt 16, 17, 18-year-olds coming out of high school. But we have a great example, even from last night, from our hometown in our high school, of a young man who went D2 for three years, and he did so well that now he's playing a D1 at East Carolina University. And and he starts last night against Temple and they lost. But it's not always where you start, it's how you finish. And nowadays, if it's gonna be harder for you to get on in some of these bigger schools or colleges you think you should go to when kids are already playing three, four, five years and they just have an upper edge on you, then do what you gotta do. Like you said, recruit who can recruit you, make sure you get your foot in the door, and your game will speak for yourself once you're there.

SPEAKER_03: 16:35

Yeah, 100%. Yeah, you know, and and uh you know who's the player you mentioned at East Carolina? His name is Dimitri Gardner. Okay, so Demetri Gardner is a straight fucker, okay? And he didn't know why he wasn't getting recruited either, okay? Uh, and I kept telling him just keep doing what you're doing, and those players actually find themselves at home, you know, and so you're familiar with him, right? Very, very much so. Playing in our Virginia Beach events, and that's I know it was getting very well, I know his process, okay? And right, we had thoughts about it. I just feel like players, um, but he he stuck to the course of he knew what the table was, but he handled what he could control, and that's production, uh, and got better. You know, college coaches want to get older now. You know, I think that used to be a phrase that like Orion get old and stay old. I think now that's every team, right? I think you know, you see maybe teams like Kentucky that are playing more Freshman. Uh Cal used to do that, right? Cal Perry used to do that a lot. Now he's got more of an older team. So those, you know, teams are older now. And it's uh kind of like, you know, my dad Jeff played at Virginia Tech, and he was talking last night. We were watching Tech play against Stanford, and uh some of the games we watched against every night. We love doing that. He goes, It just reminds me when I played at Virginia Tech in the 80s, I'm going up against Louisville with second close, and it's an older team. We're playing against Juniors and Steve, you know. So um, you know, upcoming classes, we have 40 teams this weekend in Myrtle Beach and a prep event, and the prep side of things is becoming more popular. Getting that extra year is correct, extremely valuable. As you know, of course, you're going to 14 indexes. 14 years as one of the premier post-grad programs in the country, that extra year is extremely valuable. Get stronger, improve your game, put your weaknesses, double down on your strengths, and uh it gives you every opportunity to get to the next level and produce, and then make your climb like Dimitri did, or be productive and stay low.

SPEAKER_04: 18:55

Right. Yeah, a lot of people sleep on the the postgrad route, you know, prep school thing. Yeah, for union hard. Chris, who else from our local area went up down the road to uh Mass and Nutton? He played for Sharando, and now he's at Old Miss, I believe. I can't remember the kid's name, but he had another local kid that took the prep route and he and you know he didn't even start and he got by Ole Miss, and that's where he's at now. You know, one year at Mass and Nutton military school and ended up Ole Miss at SEC.

SPEAKER_03: 19:27

You know, it's uh everybody's journey is different, you know. Uh yeah, I've been doing the prep events for about eight years now, and it's it's it's great. You know, I I look at guys like um Carson Cooper, who plays at Michigan State. You know, Carson came to our prep nationals event first week in prep in March and had no offers, and now he's starting to do the last two years.

SPEAKER_04: 19:50

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 19:50

It's just how it works, but I think um you know, there's run your race, as Chris you mentioned, and control what you can control and That's getting better every day, both on the court in the classroom and character. And I think that gives you the best shot to achieve your goal.

SPEAKER_04: 20:09

I totally, I totally it can get frustrating, of course, as a being a parent, you know, or even a coach, but it's like you said, it's just patience as a virgin. It's you gotta be patient with the process. Uh so I totally agree.

SPEAKER_02: 20:27

We always dreamed about playing them, but we knew we would never play them. I was a hell of it we would never play them. They would have been a good one.

SPEAKER_04: 20:33

I think when we were in school, they had Carmelo Anthony and all those stuff.

SPEAKER_02: 20:37

We're older than Darmelo and then.

SPEAKER_04: 20:39

Oh boy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 20:41

Everybody always. And Steve Smith was their coach at the time, and he had the best players throughout the country. And I I'd like to know your take, Kevin. Now a lot of these players are no longer going to some of those schools, especially Oak Hill, who used to be the premier team in the country, and now they're going to the IMGs and Mount Verdes and all these schools in Florida. Is it because of the weather, or what's the change in everybody to the South now?

SPEAKER_04: 21:04

They're smarter than more schools, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03: 21:07

You know what? I I think the weather uh definitely contributes to it. But no, I think um, truthfully, I think that some of those programs, the resources they have are outstanding. Right? I think Oak Hill was one of the kind at one point, and Steve Smith Smith's a legend. You know, I think he has a lot of talent, but I also think coaching that talent and uh handling playing some of the egos and all that uh is not always easy, and not everybody can see that. Uh, but as the programs have kind of followed that mold of what Steve Smith built at Oak Hill, I think now they're just a lot more schools. Um, I was talking of program, high-profile program today, and um, you know, there's a lot more schools now in Florida than there were even three or four years ago. Like from the move from Knapp Valley to you know Florida. You got you know, IMGs down there doing what they're doing about birds, but there's other ones popping up on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_02: 22:05

Yeah, that's the hotbed now.

SPEAKER_03: 22:07

It's the hotbed, but I but I think in saying that some of the players may want to go back to doing the old school thing like a Huntington trap or an oak-kill or a route that may be a little bit different, uh, especially opportunities. You know, I think it's important to go where you can play. Uh, but I also think you can also achieve what you're trying to achieve where you're at, right? There's uh North Carolina that's one of the hottest players. Um Kobe Edwards is his name. And we had talks with his parents, and he was like, hey, can we kick him all to the most types of schools? And I thought last year would have been great for him to stay where he's at because he became the man. And now as he goes into his senior year, he stayed the course and he put on a show at the John Black. You know, he they won the tournament and he was MVP, and now he's real as a recruitment as well. So we'll see what happens next. But um, I think he keeps one at locally instead of taking the route of going to one of those schools, and I mean it's gonna work out. So everybody's different in that way. Some struggle with making an adjustment, and I hate to see when it doesn't work, you know, because if they stayed right where they were, they probably would have got the same recruitment as they would have if they went somewhere else, and probably it could be improved just as much, too, uh from a confidence standpoint. So yeah, I I think it's just interesting.

SPEAKER_02: 23:36

There's a lot more schools out there now, Chris was yeah, that that's different when I look at all these schools and I'm like, what happened to them? Like, even my shirt, St. James, which is in Maryland, man, they're not what they used to be.

SPEAKER_03: 23:47

The days of Grand Brothers.

SPEAKER_02: 23:48

Like I grew up on Stu Vedder when he was great. He went, he had greats.

SPEAKER_04: 23:53

Golden Brothers with rising stars, kids.

SPEAKER_02: 23:56

He coached Jason Cape on all of them at St. John's Prospect Hall. He had Kevin Durant and them over there and all these different schools, but now they don't seem to stay in the DMV area. Even I'm I live here in Brooklyn, and there's not as much talent up here as there used to be. There's so many kids, so there's talent, but it seems like they're more in the other parts of the country than DMV and New York City.

SPEAKER_03: 24:19

You know, it's spread. I I think it's great to see like uh Jordan Smith has been an absolute dog, right? Like he's at Palma Sticks, Went Rello's developed, uh there. And um, it's cool to see guys stick it out with certain programs, you know, because I know in today's climate, they can get enticed by a various things, not just weather. Um, so it's good to see guys stick it out, you know, in their roots where they started, and um and they keep it growing. And and and I think they built that culture where you can go back 20 years from now and say, hey man, remember that run we had at you know, Paul the Six or various high schools that they've been at uh for many years.

SPEAKER_02: 25:01

Paul the six, and yeah, I'm pretty sure you know then Christian had a chance to go there. He didn't go, and I took it as a good and a bad. Of course, I get it. The comrade who's growing up with your brothers and playing throughout middle and high school, you want to win, and they've been close enough and haven't. So I get that part. But I think for his basketball part, he might not have played as much, being on a team that were there's kids just as good, if not better, all over the court. But every day against them in practice and the tournaments and the competition they play, I thought that that would have been better for him. But what's your kind of take on that? Because you just said something about sticking with somebody too, so that's kind of the other side of it, right?

SPEAKER_04: 25:38

Yeah, right, yeah. Good.

SPEAKER_03: 25:40

I think uh playing against top-level competition is a huge, I mean, uh advance, you know, especially as you get to the college ranks at theater process often. So, you know, you're being challenged every single day, and shooting ripples and defensively, offensively, weight room, just the mindset of being around other high-profile players raises your game. You know, I've seen that uh team Gibson now at Spire. He was uh in North Carolina, went down to Mount Vermidseon. And uh sometimes when players are younger, I think that transition may be challenging, especially if they're like freshmen and sophomores going to those high-profile programs. But now for him, I mean he was a top 10 player, anyways, at that point, but he's really playing to that level every every single night out. So uh being with guys like Kevin Boyle, the standard he holds you to no matter who you are, what star you have next to your name, it makes him better for the nasty level than just now. So um, I think that part of the exposure piece is great, you know, because they they get to see uh maybe everybody's best shot every night, kind of like a duke does. And so it raises your uh game no matter who's in the gym, who's watching. Uh, I think you have to always be at your best. So that's the advantage of going to a place like that. Well, you know, I've seen it work both ways.

SPEAKER_04: 27:09

Uh and uh well, Mitch, the Demetri Gardner we just mentioned. Yeah, so but that's a high like he stayed at Hanley and then went on.

SPEAKER_02: 27:18

Yeah, yeah, but I think you know what I mean. I love I I would love for Hanley to win and see Christian be one of the catalysts to help, but I really thought he should have gone to Fall to Six because I'm just like, you're not gonna play that competition. Our area has no good competition, really, and then you step out and you can't really play him until you're in state or you're in an Arby's classic or something like that. So that was my take. I was trying to tell him, I'm like, Christian, I think you should go to Fall to 6, but I understand if you don't, but I bet Chris, I I I know what you're saying, and yeah, and with Kevin, and I agree with you too.

SPEAKER_04: 27:46

Yeah, it's who you're around the team itself, because you're gonna stuff your everybody's a dog, but at least they go to a private school, what typically they are, and being in public school, it's like who's really challenging you? You know, but you know, you might speaking of Christian since we're all you know, who's really challenging in that practice, like trying to lift his game up, you know, it starts there. But also, to me, it's coaching too. I coaches have to be a big part of it too, and the recruiting project. Like, I think Zach does a great job of it's like he's built something, you know. He even though our local area isn't you know, the better, but he's put like Denby on the schedule, playing Oak Hill, you know, so he challenges these kids, you know, ever to make them better and level up. So to me, also public, private, what uh it depends on the coaching as well. The school is what what are you doing to try to help these kids and make them better?

SPEAKER_03: 28:38

I agree 100%, like uh, you know, talking about the Narby's rich. You want it, I think Josh Staley is as good of a coach as there is, you know, he's just why the coaches, you know, just to operate how they operate from warm-ups to pre-game, post-game interaction, adapting during the game. So I think you're right, coaching and Zach's done a great job. I think some programs allow you to develop and learn mistakes more than others do, you know, uh once to a certain point, like if your game's still developing, you know, uh you may have a sort of lease on certain, you know, teams based on uh playing through mistakes. So I do think that's something that's important on where you're at, uh, if you're one of those developing players. So it just depends on the player, the mindset, and the curvature level of the player. Um you know, as these players are starting to move around a little bit more, uh, you know, when you leave South Carolina, go to Dallas, Texas, I think that transitions maybe a lot in the 16, 17 year old player. Um, if they're still in those developing stages, correct, correct.

SPEAKER_04: 29:49

So I got a few other questions, like big topics here. So Haley remembered and Oak Hill. It was Oak Hill held the ball. Shot clock. You know what I'm getting for what? It was like two minutes, sort of the end of that, right? People were actually booing this, that so the big topic past couple weeks is does Virginia need a shot clock in high school.

unknown: 30:14

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04: 30:14

What's your thought? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 30:16

Yeah, I think uh shot clock will run shot clock all weekend. It was a discussion there. That was uh an association uh putting the shot clock down. We apparently had to put the request in for shot clock and all these. Um well I think that uh shot clock changes games late. Uh I think it knowing time and score, uh, it becomes a factor. And I, you know, obviously if you're down, it can help bring you back. So it doesn't we weren't uh we were hoping, I guess, as when I recognized we wouldn't have shot clock uh at the August that nobody was told that the full team that we uh holding at that point in that game. But you know, uh John T-Ball does an outstanding job with his program there. And um but I the shot clock's important. I think it's most needed at all levels. You're gonna play with it at the collegiate level, so might as well adapt to it.

SPEAKER_04: 31:11

Um yeah, yeah, get them ready. Yep, adapt to that shot, yeah, that shot clock, and it develops awareness. And the one thing I heard, like my oldest son when he was gonna go to mass nut and that came up because the shot clock and the head coach there was telling him it's like you you gotta look for your shot because you you know the shot clock's running, yeah. So you're gonna you know so and forces kids now, it's like ones that won't you typically, I guess, but take the open shot when you got it, right? You know, because of the shot clock and stuff. So it changes the game in certain aspects, you know, a lot.

SPEAKER_03: 31:44

Yeah. So I mean, especially time is cool late. Um, you know, I mean watching a game last night about four with 12-13 on the shot clock, and uh the other team goes down, hits the three, cuts it for one, they turn it over, miss it, maybe miss a free throw. Okay, that happened last night, all right.

SPEAKER_00: 32:08

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03: 32:09

It was time to school a little bit. I think if they could have held the ball, Tech would have probably held the ball out the whole time if it wasn't o'clock clock.

SPEAKER_04: 32:15

Yeah, right, yeah, right. I mean, I get it away. It's the stall game. I don't like it, but uh it's strategy.

SPEAKER_02: 32:21

I mean, hey, if you can do it, that why I mean Hangers could have been voting Catholic if they would have done it in the fourth quarter, but I used to just hate it when I was young, and the coach would be like, get out there and run a stall game. I'm like just passing the ball, passing the ball, and nobody can do anything about it unless they still, and I was like, What is this? And I as this was 97, 98, 99, and I'm like, Why don't we have a shot clock? And they still don't, and it's almost 30 years later.

SPEAKER_03: 32:48

You know, funny growing up in Phoenix, Arizona. We didn't have shot clock in high school, and I was always the guy that we ran a stall game, we double up with the elbow. I'd be the one trying to go score every time, right? I decided you wanted to keep playing.

SPEAKER_04: 33:02

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 33:02

Oh yeah, four quarters, two teams that you play against, it's not fun to defend or watch. Nobody wants to watch the store.

SPEAKER_04: 33:10

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03: 33:11

Nationally would be great. I know it's uh side and operating, I'm sure it's an addict expense, but overall, long play it's a much better brand of basketball.

SPEAKER_04: 33:22

But that but that's my question, though. We we have a play clock in high school football. They have a clock on the field, right? The uh beside their game clock, play clock. So what's the difference? What's the difference? Uh you always hear old voice, it's an extra expense. How much is it really that to add a shot clock? Honestly, let's be honest, let's keep it real.

SPEAKER_03: 33:42

I you know, a lot of good clock operators can manually do both and do yeah, correct. Those are a lot of things we have, they do both. Um, I think just obviously from the school aspect, you know, I think that that would be an association ad uh to you know have it the venue. Uh, but again, it's a much better brand of basketball to watch, to play, and long term they're gonna play with the clock. So uh I'm all about it.

unknown: 34:11

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 34:11

Do you play in the big shots events? Are they allowed to use the shot clock or no?

SPEAKER_03: 34:15

We do for the preps. Every prep event we have, high school event, we we do shot clock.

SPEAKER_04: 34:21

Oh, okay. See, now you gotta add it to the the other of my groups. I I'm put it in there. Every every group.

SPEAKER_02: 34:28

But the thing is, if they're not ever playing and practicing like that, they're gonna get whooped by a team that's used to.

SPEAKER_04: 34:33

Well, then you gotta practice like that though. Yeah, if you if you know.

SPEAKER_03: 34:37

And I think the time's different too. So some people play a 24 second shot clock, which is very quick. That's that's right. Because what's the no isn't it thirty 30 right? Right. Which, you know, truthfully, throughout a game, there's very few shot clock violations, but it does tighten up the game. Like, I think that's where it could be crucial.

SPEAKER_04: 35:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 35:04

So um, you know, I think that's just an easy way of adjusting to that, you know, uh getting the ball down, getting into a set, and having some time, you know, operating.

SPEAKER_04: 35:15

Correct, correct. Well, C Russell joined us if you know who C Russell is. Legend Slippery Rock. Well, yeah, he is. But uh, so all right, talk about shot clock. I swear I had another question, Ken, I wanted to really ask.

SPEAKER_02: 35:32

Did your dad play with Bo Kimball?

SPEAKER_03: 35:35

Oh, with uh Kimbo Cole.

SPEAKER_02: 35:37

Oh, yeah, yeah, my fault. Yeah, Kimbo Cole.

SPEAKER_03: 35:40

So Dell Curry came in the year after my dad left. So he was 7982, and Dell came in the following year and replaced him. So I always tell him you have a second best shooter. He could really got there. Yeah, yeah, just before. Uh, but our families are real tight with the curries. Just uh, you know, my grandfather Bob was on staff with Charlie Moyer during that time for seven years and with Dell. So it was you know, it's cool to see what his family's done over the course of time. Um but they played it on events early on, and then now they're obviously legends of the game.

SPEAKER_04: 36:18

Right. Yeah, I wonder if they did I wonder if he just had on. That guy could talk.

SPEAKER_03: 36:26

You know what? He loves people, he loves talking hoops, and uh and he you know he's always at the event, and you know, he'll talk to you as long as you want to talk.

SPEAKER_04: 36:37

That's what I love about you know, it feels like a family environment because like you said, there's always a Snyder at a big shots tournament. You know, so good people.

SPEAKER_03: 36:46

Yeah, it takes pride in that aspect of it, and um, again, you know, doing it now 20 more years, it's something that um you know we we we love this. I mean it's what we love to do. We make it every day. Uh we are always watching players of all levels, um, and uh here to help be an outlet for parents as well, you know, on giving them guidance along the process, and and uh you know, we just we look forward to seeing these teams here as we crank it up here in March.

SPEAKER_04: 37:18

Right. So it won't give you too much longer. I know big games coming on if it hadn't already started already, Miami and old miss. But I got one question. A fan has been. I know, hold on, but uh I'm getting to that. Hold on. Right. Well, I got a question though. Uh, what do the fans want to know? Are they uh what do y'all think of the Trey Young trade? What's our opinions on that? That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03: 37:44

Yeah, you know what? It's going young. I mean, it's great. They got up carrying the transaction. He wasn't, which is great. You know, I think he uh got a bright feature of Trey Young. Uh, you know, I I uh I've lived in for five years, so I still kind of root for the wizards in that way. Um they haven't really been much since John Wall was there.

SPEAKER_00: 38:06

Correct, correct.

SPEAKER_03: 38:07

Love to see them get back to doing what they're you know, doing and making the playoffs. But yeah, you know, these guys, Trey Young. You're you know, I know who knows what's gonna happen to some of these trades. You hear John Moran saying, you hear Lonzo Ball, some of these guys moving um before the I heard A D's on the move again, so we'll see.

SPEAKER_04: 38:27

Yeah, yeah, that's what I heard too.

SPEAKER_02: 38:29

Yeah, as great of a talent as he is, man. I'm not sure who wants him.

SPEAKER_04: 38:35

A D.

SPEAKER_02: 38:35

It's just because like it's scary. He he's he doesn't play enough. His talent-wise, he's one of the greatest I've ever seen for his physique and his size, but he can't stay healthy. Yeah, but Trey, Trey on the other side, Kev, he's only 27, and your NBA prime is pretty much 27 to 32.

SPEAKER_03: 38:51

Yeah, you know, uh one of the guys that is playing in our business weekend is Brandon Payne. He's trained for 18 years, and he's taken on Trey Young as one of his next guys, and I think it's it's gonna be good for him. You know, uh Brandon's extremely knowledgeable, obviously, shooting. You know, he trains him as well as uh Caitlin Clark and Sabrina, you know, so he's kind of an old skill. But uh, I think Trey is put up some huge numbers, and he's had moments like in the garden of being born the chills and all the stuff. Right. Maybe this needs a fresh start, and uh hopefully DC can provide him that uh you know, this next chapter. Because you're right, he's still young, got a lot of years under uh under his belt so far, but a lot more time.

SPEAKER_02: 39:41

Right, right. And Tony, like we always say, it's not where you start, it's it's where you how you finish. Look at the look at the draft with Luca and Trey, and they got traded for each other that night.

SPEAKER_04: 39:52

Right. They're not theirs anymore.

SPEAKER_02: 39:53

Neither one of them.

SPEAKER_04: 39:54

And Luca people forget about that.

SPEAKER_03: 39:57

You just don't know what's gonna happen. Yeah. You know what I think the lead change, man. Okay, winning this year, I think it gave a lot of control where you build it, you know, how things are gonna develop, and I think you see a lot of franchises kind of starting fresh and and trying to develop that. Like for obviously, you know, got some young talent, you know, uh trying to do that, but there's some that are just taking a lot longer. But OKC was out there for the conference watching Fortnite and I was watching and I'm gonna talk about the week better than this guy, you know. And this was when they were starting you know 55, you know, they weren't very good. Right. But they stuck to that core group and now we're gonna dance. Uh it took some time, but it's you know, I'm happy for the wizards to get a guy like Clay Uh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 40:53

We'll we're gonna have to go out the games now, like uh C just says that he's gonna fill the arena now and be the zone, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 41:00

That's a good young part. And then maybe what what's his name? Bub Carrington or whatever? He's pretty good.

SPEAKER_03: 41:06

Yeah, Bob's good, and uh he's been around the game a lot. His dad was a legend at our events from the Baltimore League. And so great that he's a home, he's he's homegrown right there in the DMD. And uh he and Trey could be dynamic.

SPEAKER_04: 41:22

Right, right. Well, Kevin, like I said, it won't hold you too much longer. Uh, could you let people know you know how to contact you guys? I guess you know, because since you say you help with recruiting and stuff like that, because you gotta start helping me now. But yeah, just let people know your info, you know how they contact you, I guess.

SPEAKER_03: 41:39

Yeah, uh, you can follow us on social media at Big Shots Global on X, Big Shots Nation on IG, uh Big Shots.net is our website, has uh ton of information there. We have rankings on the website, our upcoming events, as well as our contact information. Reach out anytime. Uh and we're here to be an hour. And uh make sure you think they can play big. What's your what's your next event? This weekend starts tomorrow at four o'clock right here in Myrtle Beach. Uh we got a prep event, 40 teams coming to town. Uh really excited to host teams from 10 different states as far as California. And uh turnout of college coaches, so we're excited about the weekend, and then we tip off to uh we'll do a prep nationals with 128 high school teams at the end of February, Rock Hill, and then we'll tip them off in March with the circuit.

SPEAKER_04: 42:34

So I love that, I love that facility down at Rock Hill. My parents love going to yeah, that's that's a great spot down there. And she went, I think John Morant and stuff has showed up to some of the event. Uh a few people like Derrick Rose is I think down there. Yeah, come out.

SPEAKER_03: 42:50

Yeah, great venues, and we really try to get into those venues in various places around the country. And uh I think the venues popping up, there's more coming. Yeah, I think Williamsburg's one that will be there often.

SPEAKER_04: 43:03

Yeah, your dad, yeah, told me that. But that Richmond complex, that Henrico sports got is real nice too, they built great full court venues.

SPEAKER_03: 43:11

So these cities are really jumping into the sports uh you know, economic side and and uh esports, you know, bringing that to their city. So it's really helping, you know, events and and players because you you're having the best venues coming to your region, and and that only helps uh the overall process.

SPEAKER_04: 43:31

Correct, correct. Well, Kevin, hey man, enjoyed having you on and your knowledge and giving some insight on AMU and all that, some of the high school kids. But hey, keep doing what you're doing, man. Love what you're doing, you know. And you know, I'll see you soon.

SPEAKER_03: 43:45

Appreciate you having me on, and and uh glad to hop on anytime with you and and and uh appreciate you guys. Have a good one. Hey, and look, I'm taking the U tonight, though, by the way.

SPEAKER_04: 43:56

Me unfortunately, too. I think they're gonna pull. I'm a UVA fan, but I gotta get it.

SPEAKER_02: 44:00

Who's Miami playing? They got old miss tonight. Well, yeah, I'll pick Miami, but I'm still picking Indiana to win it all. Yeah, I have to do it. Yeah, there's a kitchen for how to play basketball and stuff and football with beach, too. So we're going we're going for Indiana.

SPEAKER_04: 44:15

Like Steve. Steve Stephen, Stephen Daley, if you heard him.

SPEAKER_02: 44:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 44:19

Play for yeah, but Haley alone went to Haley. Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_02: 44:26

But yeah, we appreciate it, man. A lot of knowledge, a lot of stuff you do for the kids, the whole community of basketball as a whole, man. And and we appreciate it, and definitely for for you know, you taking the time to lit Haley and then play in some of your bigger events. That's cool, man.

SPEAKER_03: 44:39

No doubt. Love having them. Uh first class program and uh hoping wishing them the best on another run here. I think they'll be in the hunt uh from that time in March in Richmond. So looking forward to that day. All right, Kevin. We're appreciating you, fellas.

SPEAKER_04: 44:58

All right, Kevin. Well, Chris, there was Kevin Sniper made a lot of insight there. Any of you you get a lot of your answer uh questions answered, Chris, now.

SPEAKER_02: 45:08

Yeah, but you got some people coming in. I can't read all of them except for.

SPEAKER_04: 45:11

Oh, no, they're going so fast. Hey, hold on. We got uh oh, you got Lakers tickets. Hook me up. Lakers and Wizards, Calvin, yeah. Hook me up, man. I ain't I ain't ever seen my Lakers. No, never seen them. I've been to two pros. I know, I do.

SPEAKER_02: 45:38

I I've seen them play, but I I've never seen them with Magic, but definitely with Kobe and all them play. I had to go see Kobe, and then of course I've seen him with Bron and all them, but yeah, my way we can go, but I'm gonna tell you one thing right now, because they know it's probably LeBron's last season, the tickets like$600 for the nosebleeds for LeBron when they come here. I'm like, shit. Yeah, I'm not gonna go.

SPEAKER_04: 45:59

Yeah, well, see, that's well, remember because we had Kobe and all that. And when he came to what man, the tickets were outrageous. Yeah, it just depends on who they're playing. But now the Wizards tickets are gonna go up now, just a heads up.

SPEAKER_02: 46:10

They won't be light up here, but they're gonna go up because you got a better player now.

SPEAKER_04: 46:15

Yeah, that's true. They're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02: 46:17

I can't believe Atlanta did that. I know they want to dump money in this and that, but I'm not giving away one of the things. Who did they get? Who did they who did they give in the trade? JJ McCullough, who's playing well right now. Yeah, but he he's got an expiry contract, and then Corey Kispert or whatever. I'm like, dude, that's a wild trade. He can shoot, but ain't what the hell? Trey Young guards, besides he can't play defense. Okay, so get a bunch of players that can play defense. Yeah, correct. Yeah, that's wild. But good big big ups to the wizards, man, because they hosed Atlanta. That was wild.

SPEAKER_04: 46:49

That's what I was gonna say. It's like, man, they it's like, come on now, Atlanta. Jeez. Wow, I guess unless they just wanted to cut ties and just took what they could get. I mean, who knows what it what it is. I mean, it's rigged according to you, right?

SPEAKER_02: 47:05

All of it, all the post course is rigged now, man. Too much, too much money in Vegas and people's hands and that shit. So they make balls. You see referees changing shit, players throwing the ball away on purpose. I'm like, what the hell's going on?

SPEAKER_04: 47:16

Right. Well, that's a whole nother topic, Chris, for for another night. But uh, we'll jump off here, Chris. You know, we'll go watch this college football game and exciting great episode. And everybody, you can you know, uh subscribe to us on YouTube, find us on Instagram, Facebook, X, all those platforms. But everybody, you know, thanks for tuning in. And we're gonna be working on a few other you know, big guests, but we'll just keep it as probably we'll keep it on the wraps. But uh big big big big announcements, you know, hopefully bigger and better. So everybody, hey, thanks for tuning in and uh check us out next Thursday at 7 p.m. again. All right, everybody. Have a great night and enjoy the football game tonight. All right, Chris.

SPEAKER_05: 48:00

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